PERSLER VE 300 SPARTA FİLMİ

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Orjinalden alıntı: Dreatlord


Hatta spartanın üstünde yer alan bu günkü konya antalya hudutlarında yer alan ksanthos Atinalı kmutan kimon tarafından yakılmıştır bundan ayrı
546 atina seferine lykya(geniş adı tüm bölgenin şehir devletleri var sparta gibi ) 50 gemi ile perslere yardım etmiştir çünkü perslerde kral tanrıdır tanrıda insanlara merhametlidir

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Very good read. However there are a few mistakes in there (or else information left out).

All this is information is from a special done by the History Channel on the battle of Thermopolae as well as the Athenian naval battle with the Persians.

First, there were only 300 spartans. That part is true. There were also another 4,000 greeks with them at the pass, and another 1,000 greeks guarding the 'hidden' route.

While the Persians obviously did not number 1,000,000 +, most historians estimate they were between 100,000 and 250,000. This is around what you mentioned. But either way, the Greeks were massively outnumbered no matter how you look at it.

After the Greek army refused to surrender and go home, the Persians attacked. The were held for 2 days (or was it 3? Don't remember). After that time they were told of the hidden pass that took them around the Greek lines. When a contingent broke off to utilize this pass, the 1,000 greeks guarding it believed that the Persians had decided to go attack their home city, and so left, leaving it wide open.

This allowed the Persians to surround the Greeks, and most of them withdrew. They were not just surrounded and killed. Something like 3,000 Greeks left, leaving the 300 Spartans and another 700 from a city whose name I can't remember, because the final thousand refused to leave.

On the third day (fourth maybe? But third I think) they were surrounded from both sides, at which point the phalanx broke and the battle turned into a chaotic melee. Now that the Persians could bring their numbers to bare, the remaining greeks were killed to the last man.

Most of your cultural stuff I have no issue with.

I do notice however that you very conveniently left out why the Persians went home. After defeating the greeks at thermopolae, the Persians went towards Athens to avenge the Athenians who had burned down a Persian city in a previous war. However the Athenian Admiral Themisticles had already ordered the evacuation of the city, and so it was empty when the Persians arrived.

Meanwhile Themisticles was engaging the Persian fleet about 4x the size of his own. His first attack was during the evening, something which rarely happened back then. Because battles could not be fought in the dark, this limited the engagement time and made sure the Persians could not fully bring their full numbers to bear and also limited the number of casualties the Athenians could take.

In the next battle the Persians were forced to battle the Athenians in a narrow straight of water, which also meant they could not bring their full numbers to bear, and that the smaller Athenian ships would have an easier time navigating and turning than their larger opponents.

All in all the Persian casualties were immense in comparison to the size of the Athenian fleet, and they were forced to withdraw. This also meant the ground troops had to leave, as without their navy they had no chance of reinforcements and would run out of supplies.

So, realistically, while the most famous battle of the war was with the Spartans, the Athenians were the ones who actually won it.

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Orjinalden alıntı: TIGERSHARK

kral yolunu Lidyalılar yapmamışmıydı

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Orjinalden alıntı: Dreatlord

quote: Orjinalden alıntı: TIGERSHARK kral yolunu Lidyalılar yapmamışmıydı

Lidyalıları yıkan persler yapmıştır ama lidya etkisi yadsınamayacak kadar çokturr aslında ortak bi yapımdır hepsi aynı yoldan ekmek yediler bu bi gerçek :)