Skoda Octavia 1.6 TDI CR 105 HP Classic mi yoksa Fluence Expression 1.5 dCi 105 HP mi? (2. sayfa)

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Orijinalden alıntı: asilx

@over
Renault, Nissan'ın kalite kontrol sistemine geçtiğinden beri Clio III ile, o bahsettiğin sorunlar çok azaldı. Bu tüm istatisliklere yansımış durumda, ADAC vs. Sorunlu yorumlarına o yüzden katılmıyorum. Son modellerde görülen tek kronik sorun Laguna III'ün turbo hortumu çatlatmasıydı. Bu araçlar da servise çağrıldı ve ücretsiz olarak yeni geliştirilmiş hortumlarla değiştirildi.

Burada benimde tercihim Skoda olur fakat. Fluence, mantar gibi çoğaldı 6ayda. Yeni Octavia hiç göremedim henüz yolda ama gayet güzel bir araç. Üstelik Renault'un Fluence Expression, Business ve Authentque de kullandığı malzeme kalitesi hoşuma gitmiyor. Fluence alınacaksa Dynamique ile başlanmalı şahsim görüşüm.

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Orijinalden alıntı: over and under
bak şuna peki asil hadi bizimkiler yalan söylüyor aracı kötülüyor diyelim

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Orijinalden alıntı: over and under

quote: Orijinalden alıntı: asilx @over Renault, Nissan'ın kalite kontrol sistemine geçtiğinden beri Clio III ile, o bahsettiğin sorunlar çok azaldı. Bu tüm istatisliklere yansımış durumda, ADAC vs. Sorunlu yorumlarına o yüzden katılmıyorum. Son modellerde görülen tek kronik sorun Laguna III'ün turbo hortumu çatlatmasıydı. Bu araçlar da servise çağrıldı ve ücretsiz olarak yeni geliştirilmiş hortumlarla değiştirildi. Burada benimde tercihim Skoda olur fakat. Fluence, mantar gibi çoğaldı 6ayda. Yeni Octavia hiç göremedim henüz yolda ama gayet güzel bir araç. Üstelik Renault'un Fluence Expression, Business ve Authentque de kullandığı malzeme kalitesi hoşuma gitmiyor. Fluence alınacaksa Dynamique ile başlanmalı şahsim görüşüm.

bak şuna peki asil hadi bizimkiler yalan söylüyor aracı kötülüyor diyelim

laguna 3 uzun dönem test sonucunda bile aracın sağından solundan gelen sesler tıkırtılar, gevşeyen kapı kolları ve diğer parçalar, gereksiz sert süspansiyon yüzünden insanlar bıkmış

adam 6k milde satıp kurtuldum diyor ki o araç tüm renocuların baştacı GT

Renault Laguna Coupe 2.0dCi GT long-term test review

By the CAR road test team

Long Term Tests

29 October 2009 10:30

Long-term test goodbye – 29 October 2009

I expected this departure to be a difficult one. The Laguna Coupe arrived with huge potential – great looks, trick steering, plenty of kit and punchy turbo diesel engine – but it was a huge sigh of relief rather than regret when the Renault finally went. Apart from a first-generation Mercedes A 140, which I loathed with a passion that bordered on the violent, I’ve had a run of some damned good long-term cars. The Laguna has comprehensively killed that run of luck stone cold dead.

How, I kept asking myself, could Renault have got this car so very wrong, when everything about it said mais oui? This is a car that should pamper and waft like a true French cruiser, swallowing huge distances with insouciant ease and looking cool and sophisticated in the process. Its sleek and clean styling say so, as do its powerful engine and spacious leather-wrapped cabin. It should, but it doesn’t.
The main culprit is its terrible ride quality. Unflinchingly hard and crashy, it transmits every single imperfection through to cabin. It’s a characteristic completely at odds with every other aspect of the car, and a very unwelcome gatecrasher to the party. It’s so disappointing that the styling and drivetrain didn’t receive the cosseting and compliant ride they so much deserved. I simply cannot understand how such a suspension set-up was signed off in the first place.

There were other niggles – the sharp clutch and incredibly vague gearshift were a combination that took some finesse to master, the joystick central controller started feeling a little fragile, and while the four-wheel steering resulted in entertainingly sharp and precise handling, the wheel only ever felt vaguely associated with the front wheels.

But these were minor foibles rather than the huge stumbling block that is the ride quality. It got so bad that my wife refused to travel in the Renault, claiming the constant fidgeting made her feel unwell.

The Laguna Coupe is an opportunity that’s been missed by a mile. It has the pace, the style, the character and the versatility to elevate it far higher than its mainstream badge might suggest. But this is a good car that has been ruined by one insurmountable flaw. Which is why after 5969 miles I am glad to see the back of it.

By Ben Whitworth




Logbook

Total Mileage

Since last report

Overall MPG

Claimed MPG

Fuel Costs

Other Costs

Highs

Lows


5969 miles

942 miles

39.1mpg

43.4mpg

£120.46 (this month)

None

Style, four-wheel steer agility, equipment levels, scarcity

Intolerably hard ride quality spoils everything else

Previous reports
26 August 2009 Full marks to the local Renault dealer
8 August 2009 Shake, rattle and erm disappointment - 8 August 2009
22 June 2009 Long-term test hello


Full marks to the local Renault dealer - 26 August 2009

Full marks to my local Renault dealer, Hemmings Chichester, who sorted out the blindingly high setting on the Lagnua’s bi-xenon headlamps. When I called and explained the problem, I was offered a slot that afternoon to bring in the car for repair or at any time the next day. Less than 24 hours later – after receiving a handy text message reminder of my appointment time – I was handing the Laguna’s key card over to Natalie Bevis in the Hemmings service centre and being offered a cup of coffee.

The coffee was awful, but the service was good – quick, on time and with the added bonus that as well as having its headlamp height reset, the Laguna had also received a minor software upgrade after the diagnostic equipment flashed up a necessary update. Everything was covered under warranty and that was the end of that. Pity the diagnostic couldn’t sort out the Laguna’s shoddy ride quality as easily as some errant headlamps.

Interestingly, I could see no other Coupés on the forecourt or in the service bays. And given the combination of the current economic climate and the Coupé’s price range (mine weighs in at £27,555) that’s hardly surprising. I did a quick search on Autotrader, and as expected, Laguna Coupés were few and far between. I did however find an identically specced car to mine for sale with less that 3500 miles on the clock with a £18,290 price tag. That’s over £9k lost in less than a year. Ouch.

By Ben Whitworth
Shake, rattle and erm disappointment - 8 August 2009

While I love the Laguna’s sleek styling, punchy engine and four-wheel steer agility, its unyielding and jagged ride quality is as annoying as it is frustrating. If you clapped eyes on the Laguna Coupe for the first time, you’d guess that it was a fast and handsome GT cruiser, capable of covering ground quickly and effortlessly. Right? Horribly wrong. The problem is that instead of the anticipated compliant and loping ride quality, a typically Gallic suspension set-up to smooth away even the most acned of roads, the Laguna Coupe feels stiff-jointed and abrupt – an unwelcome facet completely at odds with the car’s character.

This should be a laidback cruiser, a soothing and cocooning coupe that majors on comfort and style. The lines say so. The refined and punchy turbo diesel engine says so. The well appointed leather-wrapped cabin says so. Truth is, it’s everything but. I knew it was bad, but it wasn’t until my wife colourfully cursed the car’s fidgety ride quality last week– the constant jiggling makes her feel queasy on even the shortest trip – that I realised just how unforgiving the concrete spring and damper set-up is. And as a result, everything not tied down in the cabin – loose change, oddments in the door bins, cd boxes and people – gets bounced, rattled and shaken over every intrusion. I’m pretty sure that as a result of the hard ride, the Laguna Coupe’s cabin will soon chirp and squeak more than a box of crickets.

I simply don’t understand Renault’s reasoning behind the car’s way-too-hard set-up. It may be lovely to look at but there’s not much pleasure to be had from driving it. I so wanted the Laguna Coupe to be a great car, a gem hidden deep within the mainstream dross. Disappointment beckons…


megane 3 içinde benzerleri var

sonuç itibariyle M3RS alası gelse de insan bunları okuyunca soğuyor

2005'den beri değişen birşey yok demek

neyse ... tatlı kesmek lazım

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Orijinalden alıntı: omerf

quote: Orijinalden alıntı: over and under quote: Orijinalden alıntı: asilx @over Renault, Nissan'ın kalite kontrol sistemine geçtiğinden beri Clio III ile, o bahsettiğin sorunlar çok azaldı. Bu tüm istatisliklere yansımış durumda, ADAC vs. Sorunlu yorumlarına o yüzden katılmıyorum. Son modellerde görülen tek kronik sorun Laguna III'ün turbo hortumu çatlatmasıydı. Bu araçlar da servise çağrıldı ve ücretsiz olarak yeni geliştirilmiş hortumlarla değiştirildi. Burada benimde tercihim Skoda olur fakat. Fluence, mantar gibi çoğaldı 6ayda. Yeni Octavia hiç göremedim henüz yolda ama gayet güzel bir araç. Üstelik Renault'un Fluence Expression, Business ve Authentque de kullandığı malzeme kalitesi hoşuma gitmiyor. Fluence alınacaksa Dynamique ile başlanmalı şahsim görüşüm. bak şuna peki asil hadi bizimkiler yalan söylüyor aracı kötülüyor diyelim laguna 3 uzun dönem test sonucunda bile aracın sağından solundan gelen sesler tıkırtılar, gevşeyen kapı kolları ve diğer parçalar, gereksiz sert süspansiyon yüzünden insanlar bıkmış adam 6k milde satıp kurtuldum diyor ki o araç tüm renocuların baştacı GT Renault Laguna Coupe 2.0dCi GT long-term test review By the CAR road test team Long Term Tests 29 October 2009 10:30 Long-term test goodbye – 29 October 2009 I expected this departure to be a difficult one. The Laguna Coupe arrived with huge potential – great looks, trick steering, plenty of kit and punchy turbo diesel engine – but it was a huge sigh of relief rather than regret when the Renault finally went. Apart from a first-generation Mercedes A 140, which I loathed with a passion that bordered on the violent, I’ve had a run of some damned good long-term cars. The Laguna has comprehensively killed that run of luck stone cold dead. How, I kept asking myself, could Renault have got this car so very wrong, when everything about it said mais oui? This is a car that should pamper and waft like a true French cruiser, swallowing huge distances with insouciant ease and looking cool and sophisticated in the process. Its sleek and clean styling say so, as do its powerful engine and spacious leather-wrapped cabin. It should, but it doesn’t. The main culprit is its terrible ride quality. Unflinchingly hard and crashy, it transmits every single imperfection through to cabin. It’s a characteristic completely at odds with every other aspect of the car, and a very unwelcome gatecrasher to the party. It’s so disappointing that the styling and drivetrain didn’t receive the cosseting and compliant ride they so much deserved. I simply cannot understand how such a suspension set-up was signed off in the first place. There were other niggles – the sharp clutch and incredibly vague gearshift were a combination that took some finesse to master, the joystick central controller started feeling a little fragile, and while the four-wheel steering resulted in entertainingly sharp and precise handling, the wheel only ever felt vaguely associated with the front wheels. But these were minor foibles rather than the huge stumbling block that is the ride quality. It got so bad that my wife refused to travel in the Renault, claiming the constant fidgeting made her feel unwell. The Laguna Coupe is an opportunity that’s been missed by a mile. It has the pace, the style, the character and the versatility to elevate it far higher than its mainstream badge might suggest. But this is a good car that has been ruined by one insurmountable flaw. Which is why after 5969 miles I am glad to see the back of it. By Ben Whitworth Logbook Total Mileage Since last report Overall MPG Claimed MPG Fuel Costs Other Costs Highs Lows 5969 miles 942 miles 39.1mpg 43.4mpg £120.46 (this month) None Style, four-wheel steer agility, equipment levels, scarcity Intolerably hard ride quality spoils everything else Previous reports 26 August 2009 Full marks to the local Renault dealer 8 August 2009 Shake, rattle and erm disappointment - 8 August 2009 22 June 2009 Long-term test hello Full marks to the local Renault dealer - 26 August 2009 Full marks to my local Renault dealer, Hemmings Chichester, who sorted out the blindingly high setting on the Lagnua’s bi-xenon headlamps. When I called and explained the problem, I was offered a slot that afternoon to bring in the car for repair or at any time the next day. Less than 24 hours later – after receiving a handy text message reminder of my appointment time – I was handing the Laguna’s key card over to Natalie Bevis in the Hemmings service centre and being offered a cup of coffee. The coffee was awful, but the service was good – quick, on time and with the added bonus that as well as having its headlamp height reset, the Laguna had also received a minor software upgrade after the diagnostic equipment flashed up a necessary update. Everything was covered under warranty and that was the end of that. Pity the diagnostic couldn’t sort out the Laguna’s shoddy ride quality as easily as some errant headlamps. Interestingly, I could see no other Coupés on the forecourt or in the service bays. And given the combination of the current economic climate and the Coupé’s price range (mine weighs in at £27,555) that’s hardly surprising. I did a quick search on Autotrader, and as expected, Laguna Coupés were few and far between. I did however find an identically specced car to mine for sale with less that 3500 miles on the clock with a £18,290 price tag. That’s over £9k lost in less than a year. Ouch. By Ben Whitworth Shake, rattle and erm disappointment - 8 August 2009 While I love the Laguna’s sleek styling, punchy engine and four-wheel steer agility, its unyielding and jagged ride quality is as annoying as it is frustrating. If you clapped eyes on the Laguna Coupe for the first time, you’d guess that it was a fast and handsome GT cruiser, capable of covering ground quickly and effortlessly. Right? Horribly wrong. The problem is that instead of the anticipated compliant and loping ride quality, a typically Gallic suspension set-up to smooth away even the most acned of roads, the Laguna Coupe feels stiff-jointed and abrupt – an unwelcome facet completely at odds with the car’s character. This should be a laidback cruiser, a soothing and cocooning coupe that majors on comfort and style. The lines say so. The refined and punchy turbo diesel engine says so. The well appointed leather-wrapped cabin says so. Truth is, it’s everything but. I knew it was bad, but it wasn’t until my wife colourfully cursed the car’s fidgety ride quality last week– the constant jiggling makes her feel queasy on even the shortest trip – that I realised just how unforgiving the concrete spring and damper set-up is. And as a result, everything not tied down in the cabin – loose change, oddments in the door bins, cd boxes and people – gets bounced, rattled and shaken over every intrusion. I’m pretty sure that as a result of the hard ride, the Laguna Coupe’s cabin will soon chirp and squeak more than a box of crickets. I simply don’t understand Renault’s reasoning behind the car’s way-too-hard set-up. It may be lovely to look at but there’s not much pleasure to be had from driving it. I so wanted the Laguna Coupe to be a great car, a gem hidden deep within the mainstream dross. Disappointment beckons… megane 3 içinde benzerleri var sonuç itibariyle M3RS alası gelse de insan bunları okuyunca soğuyor 2005'den beri değişen birşey yok demek neyse ... tatlı kesmek lazım

Adamın biri almış aracı blog yapmış kendine beğenmemiş satmış noluyor böyle olunca araba kötü mü oluyor?

Bende sana skoda için bulayım aynısını nolcak o zaman?

http://www.geoffkirby.co.uk/Skoda/

Buyur sende buna bak o zaman adam octavia alıp alcağına pişman olmuş.

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Orijinalden alıntı: asilx

O linkte coupe'nin sorunundan bahsetmiyor, hızla göz gezdirdiğim kadarıyla. Sert sürüş karakterisliklerinden dolayı test yapanın eşi uzun yola çıkmayı redetmiş Coupe ile Bu nedenle de uzun yol testi bitmiş. Ne kadar lakayıt bir dergi bu Coupede de zaten sert makbüldür bence

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Orijinalden alıntı: over and under


asil iyice oku bakalım

tafıllık ingilizcen burada mı stage 1 oldu

Unflinchingly hard and crashy, it transmits every single imperfection through to cabin. It’s a characteristic completely at odds with every other aspect of the car, and a very unwelcome gatecrasher to the party. It’s so disappointing that the styling and drivetrain didn’t receive the cosseting and compliant ride they so much deserved. I simply cannot understand how such a suspension set-up was signed off in the first place.

There were other niggles – the sharp clutch and incredibly vague gearshift were a combination that took some finesse to master, the joystick central controller started feeling a little fragile, and while the four-wheel steering resulted in entertainingly sharp and precise handling, the wheel only ever felt vaguely associated with the front wheels.

ha birde diğer kullanıcıların yazdıkları var onlara bir göz atıver bir ara

mesela bu

And as a result, everything not tied down in the cabin – loose change, oddments in the door bins, cd boxes and people – gets bounced, rattled and shaken over every intrusion. I’m pretty sure that as a result of the hard ride, the Laguna Coupe’s cabin will soon chirp and squeak more than a box of crickets.

I simply don’t understand Renault’s reasoning behind the car’s way-too-hard set-up. It may be lovely to look at but there’s not much pleasure to be had from driving it. I so wanted the Laguna Coupe to be a great car, a gem hidden deep within the mainstream dross. Disappointment beckons…

GT değil de SR (shake & rattle) olsa daha mantıklı olacakmış



ha sevgili asil birde sana dergi beğendirilmez auto bild olur yanlı olur .... olur yanlı olur .... CAR olur ne berbat bir dergidir çünkü renonun gerçek sorunlarından bahsetmiştir

of ya gerçekten çok zor

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Orijinalden alıntı: asilx

quote: Orijinalden alıntı: over and under asil iyice oku bakalım tafıllık ingilizcen burada mı stage 1 oldu Unflinchingly hard and crashy, it transmits every single imperfection through to cabin. It�s a characteristic completely at odds with every other aspect of the car, and a very unwelcome gatecrasher to the party. It�s so disappointing that the styling and drivetrain didn�t receive the cosseting and compliant ride they so much deserved. I simply cannot understand how such a suspension set-up was signed off in the first place. There were other niggles � the sharp clutch and incredibly vague gearshift were a combination that took some finesse to master, the joystick central controller started feeling a little fragile, and while the four-wheel steering resulted in entertainingly sharp and precise handling, the wheel only ever felt vaguely associated with the front wheels. ha birde diğer kullanıcıların yazdıkları var onlara bir göz atıver bir ara mesela bu And as a result, everything not tied down in the cabin � loose change, oddments in the door bins, cd boxes and people � gets bounced, rattled and shaken over every intrusion. I�m pretty sure that as a result of the hard ride, the Laguna Coupe�s cabin will soon chirp and squeak more than a box of crickets. I simply don�t understand Renault�s reasoning behind the car�s way-too-hard set-up. It may be lovely to look at but there�s not much pleasure to be had from driving it. I so wanted the Laguna Coupe to be a great car, a gem hidden deep within the mainstream dross. Disappointment beckons� GT değil de SR (shake & rattle) olsa daha mantıklı olacakmış ha sevgili asil birde sana dergi beğendirilmez auto bild olur yanlı olur .... olur yanlı olur .... CAR olur ne berbat bir dergidir çünkü renonun gerçek sorunlarından bahsetmiştir of ya gerçekten çok zor

Tamam da ben gene aracın sürüş dinamikleri dışında beklenmeyen bir sorun olduğuna dair birşey göremiyorum. Genel olarak sert sürüş karakteristliği eleştirilmiş.

I�m pretty sure that as a result of the hard ride, the Laguna Coupe�s cabin will soon chirp and squeak more than a box of crickets.

Burda da dediği bu sert sürüşle Coupenin kabini yakında ayvayı yer demiş


Car dergisini zaten Doğuş getirmiyor mu ülkemize? No comment...

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Orijinalden alıntı: over and under


2010 ocak ayından bir makale mesela

İngiltere'de TÜV testinin karşılığı olan MOT'da 2007 yılında en çok çakan araba reno megan sonra pejo geliyor

100 megandan 28'i testi geçememiş .... japon arabaları açık ara önde



The Renault Megane tops a chart compiled by the BBC using Department for Transport data that identifies the cars that most frequently and infrequently failed their first MOTs in 2007.

The data, issued by DfT subsidiary the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency, reveals that 28.1 per cent of all ’53-, ’04- and ’54-plated Meganes which underwent their first MOT test in 2007 failed that test.

Click here to read James Ruppert's blog on the MOT data

That compares with 24.7 per cent of Peugeot 307s, which is identified in the data as the joint second most likely vehicle to fail an MOT at that age. The Vauxhall Corsa ranks joint second at a 24.7 per cent failure rate, while the Renault Scenic charted fourth with a 23 per cent failure rate.

The vehicles that proved least given to failing their first MOT in 2007 were the Toyota Corolla (11.2 per cent), the Honda Jazz (13.3 per cent) and the Honda Civic (14.1 per cent).

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Orijinalden alıntı: over and under

of asil yaaaa gerçekten bu gece sana ayıracak fazla vaktim yok

abisi kalın puntolu yerleri okuyup çevirir misin

hep aynı yeri çevirip durma

mürekkep yalamış koskoca mühendissin ingilizcen buna fazlasıyla yeter diye düşünüyorum

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Orijinalden alıntı: asilx

quote: Orijinalden alıntı: over and under of asil yaaaa gerçekten bu gece sana ayıracak fazla vaktim yok abisi kalın puntolu yerleri okuyup çevirir misin hep aynı yeri çevirip durma mürekkep yalamış koskoca mühendissin ingilizcen buna fazlasıyla yeter diye düşünüyorum

Evet büyük puntolu yerlerde, keskin debriyaj ve belirgin olmayan vites geçişlerini yeriyor. Yol tutuşu direksiyon 4 tekerleğe hükmederken iyi buluyor sadece ön tekerleğe hükmederken tepkileri yeterli bulmuyor..

Araçla ilgili sorun gene göremiyorum. Ya senin İngilizce de yada benimkinde bir problem var çözemedim.


Bu arada verdiğin istatistikleri biraz eski, al sana 2008 Adac istatisliği Megane ve Laguna'nın başarısı ortada. Renault'un kendini geliştirmeside...

Neyse konu saptı. Fluence ile Octavia'ya dönmek lazım derim...